[Jack the R]

I had to change hosting services, so the links in the old thread no longer work. All the old pages can be viewed at XTIN.NET.

Here are a couple of new pages -





Been doing pretty good on TWC lately, just broke into the 150's -

PhotoComix, on 20 March 2011 - 01:03 AM, said:

Pages look more and more professinals and more and more gruesome

Personally i found that the absence of controclimax made the progression of horrors more and more boring, but on the other hand the talent is evident

I hope to see soon your talent applied to another story, even more gruesome if you are in that mood but with some controclimax and coup of theater

It's still in the build up phase, maybe it will be more climatic later.

[PhotoComix]

I hope my comment didn't sound too rude i really like how your style progress

that was more a point on the screenplay...

As in music you may play faster and faster louder and louder but that seldom the desidered effect if they are never change in rithm and in volume.

[GimpentoshFX]

This is awesome! May I ask how long it took?

[Jack the R]

PhotoComix - No problem, I was too beat last night for a good reply.

GimpentoshFX - I can usually manage two of the little panels in a day. A panel like the last one can take one-two days. It might be faster with pencil and ink. With digital I tend to make the lines tighter than they need to be, than they could be done with traditional tools.

[Demented]

That's both highly disturbing and totally awesome.

[Jack the R]

[wbool63]

Hi Jack , I have followed your progress over the last year. I am glad that the original panels are available on your site.
Your artwork is awesome. The faces and characters are easier to recognise in different panels.
My comments are the same for comic book 2 as they were for comic 1 . The story is still a bit too loose for me, but I do love the artwork.

[Jack the R]

Woulda posted earlier but the site was down.

wbool63 - If the art's working for you, that's something at least. There are still many things about the story which remain unexplained.

[Jack the R]

[Jack the R]

I went back and revised the first two pages. Please let me know if you like them or not -





Please vote!

[wbool63]

Jack, the revised images are beautiful. I have a question , will this ever become a printed item (as in a comic book for sale in the news agent? )
If that is the case won't this colour presentation not drive up the printing costs significantly
Edit, If this remains as a web comic then go with the colours if you have the time.

This post has been edited by wbool63: 03 May 2011 - 02:23 PM

[PhotoComix]

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If that is the case won't this colour presentation not drive up the printing costs significantly
Edit, If this remains as a web comic then go with the colours if you have the time.

that depend totally on how would be printed:
in most cases 4 colors pages will cost no much more then 1;
because the real page is only 1 printed on back and on front and then folded and pinned ( this is often used for the covers, but may be done also for the first and last 2 pages )

the color ink are not a so relevant part of the cost but they may require better paper and what may really raise the cost a no standard workflow during printing (and what may be standard in a place may be not somewhere else)

just as example once print a 24 bw pages with a double cover in colors (was not REALLY a double cover but the material, paper and ink was what used for covers) costed less then the same with a cover and 4 color pages...only because add a extra cover was not complex but just unusual, while add the 4 color pages required more deviations from the standard workflow

[wbool63]

PhotoComix, on 04 May 2011 - 08:14 PM, said:

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If that is the case won't this colour presentation not drive up the printing costs significantly
Edit, If this remains as a web comic then go with the colours if you have the time.

that depend totally on how would be printed:
in most cases 4 colors pages will cost no much more then 1;
because the real page is only 1 printed on back and on front and then folded and pinned ( this is often used for the covers, but may be done also for the first and last 2 pages )

the color ink are not a so relevant part of the cost but they may require better paper and what may really raise the cost a no standard workflow during printing (and what may be standard in a place may be not somewhere else)

just as example once print a 24 bw pages with a double cover in colors (was not REALLY a double cover but the material, paper and ink was what used for covers) costed less then the same with a cover and 4 color pages...only because add a extra cover was not complex but just unusual, while add the 4 color pages required more deviations from the standard workflow

Thanks PC . Never really thought about the folding of the content and cover of the final product.

[Griatch]

The colour pages are/were always spectacular, but I prefer the more painted style (or your b&w inked) rather than this more "3D-graphics"-inspired style.

As for the b&w imagery, the art is great. But story-wise, I'm afraid I'm lost again. The actions of the queen and her reactions make no sense in the context of the story, supposedly because we don't know enough about this world to make the conclusions she does. What's with these "perfect" creatures (that are apparently not perfect as far as the queen is concerned), and what is with this "second queen" thing? Whereas it's always nice to have the protagonists know more and hint towards the world they live in (i.e. not reveal everything to the reader right away), I do feel a few informative captions here and there (or a helpful "storyteller voice") would have been beneficial to make the story and world more accessible and less confusing.
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[Jack the R]

Please vote!



wbool63 - ATM XTIN is around the 170th most popular web comic in the world, which isn't all that big a deal I'd like to see it in print but there isn't enough audience yet for me to do it. I will keep trying.

It's likely I'll submit to Heavy Metal magazine after issue 2 is done.

What will happen with the colors is up in the air. I'm too busy to color it and if I had the time I'd update twice a week with line art instead.

Griatch - Stick the new story developments on a brain cell, they'll resolve by the end of the second issue. As a webcomic, it'll take the rest of the year to get there, but if it was a book in your hands it'd only be moments away.

[Griatch]

Jack the R, on 09 May 2011 - 08:05 AM, said:

Griatch - Stick the new story developments on a brain cell, they'll resolve by the end of the second issue. As a webcomic, it'll take the rest of the year to get there, but if it was a book in your hands it'd only be moments away.

You need to make up your mind here. Is your web-comic in fact not a web-comic at all, but rather an accidental side effect of you letting us see the pages you churn out for the future paper-version? If so, you are certainly right, reading it in a book form will compress reading time and dramatically change the experience (I also think it would fit well in Heavy Metal!).

My impression was however that you tried to create a web-comic (in the meaning 'a sequential piece of work that people can follow and read as fast as the pages go online'). In that case I don't believe you can use the "it will make sense once it's printed" argument and I stand by my opinion that you'd need to lean much more towards clarity so as to not loose your readers along the way.

But as said, it comes down to what your goals really are with this.
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[Jack the R]

I didn't mean it as an insult.

The webcomic medium is definitely better suited to gag-a-day strips. If you want to wait for the print version, I'll understand. If you decide not to follow XTIN at all, I'll understand that too.

[Griatch]

@Jack the R

I wasn't insulted. I follow XTIN here because it's very interesting to follow your work. I assume you want feedback on it or you wouldn't post it here.
If you say you are creating a print-comic, and are just letting us see the pages as they come, then that's fine. It changes the way one should view this work. But IMO you should then not worry too much about being popular as a web-comic, since you are actively catering for a different set of readers than those browsing it through the web medium.
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[Jack the R]

Griatch - The webcomic is all the promotion I'm likely to have. I'm just doing the best I can, ATM. It's not really adequate.

[mikethedj4]

Love it!!!