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Posted 25 January 2014 - 03:42 PM

I would like to publicly apologize to ash44455666 for not giving him proper credit with regard to his contribution for my animated fire script. My original script post (http://www.gimptalk....ed-fire-script/) includes attribution to him and this tutorial, and in the comments section of the script, this attribution has been included since day 1. I never intended to take credit for creating the flame animation described in this tutorial. (I will note that ALL the other options within the script are mine and credit to him is not warranted). Nevertheless, the impression has been given that I've taken credit for the flame animation and this was wrong on my part and I sincerely apologize. I never intended to take credit away from you ash4445566. Your tutorial is great and I was so impressed by it, I thought it deserved to be in a script. In my defense, I asked ash44455666 what I could do to fix this issue (I even offered to remove the script from the web) and he's not responded. I don't want this perception to be perpetuated any further and have removed the script from my deviantArt site and am no longer making it available. I'm in the process of contacting other sites where it's been hosted and am asking them to remove the script as well.

Again, please accept my apology and I hope your tutorial gets the attention it deserves.

Sincerely,

Art Wade (aka fencepost/fence-post)

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 08:12 PM

Hmm. In the post just before yours in this very thread, posted over 4 years ago, ash44455666 sort of congratulates you for the script and thanks you for referring to his tutorial... So why the belated apology?
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Posted 25 January 2014 - 08:33 PM

View Postofnuts, on 25 January 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Hmm. In the post just before yours in this very thread, posted over 4 years ago, ash44455666 sort of congratulates you for the script and thanks you for referring to his tutorial... So why the belated apology?


It's not a belated apology. A few days ago, I was asked why I had removed acknowledgment of his tutorial. I asked what I needed to do make it right. He's seen my response and has not returned a reply. Regardless of what was posted here 4 years ago doesn't matter. Evidently, I've made a mistake and am simply trying to correct it. That's the proper thing to do, wouldn't you say?
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Posted 26 January 2014 - 12:06 AM

4 years later? I would just have shrugged it off.

Me, I'm in the opposite situation. People take my scripts, make misinformed and clumsy changes, and leave my name in it. Sooner or later I'm asked to debug a script that is no longer mine, so now I fight against people who leave my name in their code :)
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Posted 27 January 2014 - 05:12 PM

View Postofnuts, on 26 January 2014 - 12:06 AM, said:

4 years later? I would just have shrugged it off.


Probably should have shrugged it off, but I don't like being accused. However, I would like to share the ultimate irony in this whole situation. I never noticed it until today. In this very thread, ccbarr offers assistance to improve the animation quality. Ash offers to credit ccbarr and ccbarr says he used some of the steps from a tutorial I made (http://www.gimptalk....post__p__158185) and suggested he provide me with the credit ( http://www.gimptalk....post__p__158207). He didn't do it all.

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!! He and a friend accused me of stealing his tutorial steps, but used my steps to improve his tutorial AND never credited me. WAAAAAAAAA! I'm gonna tell my mom right now that he stole my steps! LOL OMG the irony is choice!

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Me, I'm in the opposite situation. People take my scripts, make misinformed and clumsy changes, and leave my name in it. Sooner or later I'm asked to debug a script that is no longer mine, so now I fight against people who leave my name in their code :)/>


Well, that certainly is an odd predicament. :/
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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:26 PM

View Postfencepost, on 27 January 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

View Postofnuts, on 26 January 2014 - 12:06 AM, said:

4 years later? I would just have shrugged it off.


Probably should have shrugged it off, but I don't like being accused. However, I would like to share the ultimate irony in this whole situation. I never noticed it until today. In this very thread, ccbarr offers assistance to improve the animation quality. Ash offers to credit ccbarr and ccbarr says he used some of the steps from a tutorial I made (http://www.gimptalk....post__p__158185) and suggested he provide me with the credit ( http://www.gimptalk....post__p__158207). He didn't do it all.

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!! He and a friend accused me of stealing his tutorial steps, but used my steps to improve his tutorial AND never credited me. WAAAAAAAAA! I'm gonna tell my mom right now that he stole my steps! LOL OMG the irony is choice!

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Me, I'm in the opposite situation. People take my scripts, make misinformed and clumsy changes, and leave my name in it. Sooner or later I'm asked to debug a script that is no longer mine, so now I fight against people who leave my name in their code :)/>/>


Well, that certainly is an odd predicament. :/


These people forget that Gimp is in the realm of Open Source software, where the fundamental idea is that nobody creates anything out of the blue, everyone is merely improving on the ideas/code of others. Hence, even if giving a nod to someone else ideas/code is a nice thing, it is not mandatory since nobody really is the sole inventor of anything nor owns any rights on it (as you noticed, even the person who caused you some inspiration was inspired by others). So sticking to some proper attribution rules would make every piece of code start with a huge boilerplate thanking Babbage, Von Neumann, Turing, Dijkstra, Kernighan, Ritchie, Van Rossum... and all the successive Gimp developers.

In fact the guys harassing completely lack logic. You could have discovered the technique by yourself. If they know where you got your inspiration, it's because you stated it in public.

In case something like this happens to me, I won't even give them the virtual finger, and if they threaten legal action, then, that's fine with me, we are likely in two different countries, with the server where I published in a third one, and they will have a very hard time proving anteriority and the complete absence of prior art.

Last, if that guy thinks that this is worth harassing you, that means he puts such an extraordinary value on a Gimp trick that it must be the only good idea he ever had. Pity the fool :)
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